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2004 Honda Other (2004)
2004 Honda 600 cbf hornet runs great like new still .always garaged vary clean vary fast. # 319-528-80352016-08-14 04:42:56Burlington, Iowa, United States1412000 -
2004 Honda FSC600 Silver Wing (2004)
2004 Honda FSC600 Silver Wing, Comfortable scooter - good fuel mileage - Available January 2004. Powerful. Sophisticated.2013-12-19 23:26:11Chariton, IA19,3303,995.00 -
2004 Honda Rc (2004)
2004 Honda Rc 51, ~~~ SATO EXHAUST ~~~ UPGRADES ~~~ Hello and thank you for your interest! I assume that since you are in the market for an RC51 you are a niche buyer who know their product very well! Thus, I will skip the basics that you can find on Google/Honda sites and tell you what is different about this bike...2013-12-19 23:02:20West Des Moines, IA8,2005,600.00 -
2004 Honda Rc 51 (2004)
2004 Honda Rc 51, SATO EXHAUST ~UPGRADES~ Hello and thank you for your interest! I assume that since you are in the market for an RC51 you are a niche buyer who know their product very well! Thus, I will skip the basics that you can find on Google/Honda sites and tell you what is different about this bike...2013-12-19 22:15:48West Des Moines, IA8,2005,999.00 -
2004 Honda FSC600 Silver Wing Scooter (2004)
2004 Honda FSC600 Silver Wing, Comfortable scooter - good fuel mileage - Available January 2004. Powerful. Sophisticated.2013-10-04 00:37:51Chariton, IA, US193,995.00 -
2004 Honda Rc 51 Sportbike (2004)
2004 Honda Rc 51, ~~~ SATO EXHAUST ~~~ UPGRADES ~~~ Hello and thank you for your interest! I assume that since you are in the market for an RC51 you are a niche buyer who know their product very well! Thus, I will skip the basics that you can find on Google/Honda sites and tell you what is different about this bike...2013-10-01 18:43:30West Des Moines, IA, US86,399.00 -
2004 Honda Goldwing GL1800 Touring (2004)
2004 Honda Goldwing GL1800, Engine Type:1832cc liquid-cooled horizontally opposed six-cylinderBore and Stroke:74mm x 71mmCompression Ratio:9.8:1Valve Train:SOHC two valves per cylinderCarburetion:PGM-FI with automatic chokeIgnition:Computer-controlled digital with three-dimensional mappingFuel Type:GasolineFuel Capacity:6.6 gallons2013-09-27 18:09:10Sioux City, IA, US5212,990.00 -
Amazing 2004 Honda Rune motorcycle (2004)
Mint condition, very LOW miles. Equipped with Corbin trimtab fairing & Corbin seat with backrest. Revco passenger floor mats, too!2013-09-03 04:40:56Oelwein, Iowa, US2,90020,000.00 -
2005 Honda 600 SILVERWING (2005)
2005 HONDA 600 SILVERWING, This scooter runs great, but does have cosmetic damage on both sides. You can see in the pictures the damage. Not sure what it is about scooters, but it seems they always come in with damage.2013-12-21 22:43:00Atlantic, IA13,5103,399.00 -
2005 Honda VT750 Aero (2005)
2005 Honda VT750 Aero, The biggest news with the Aero is that Honda dropped the chain drive from the Shadow ACE 750's in favor of a quiet maintenance-free shaft drive. With this seat height, even folks with short legs should be able to reach the ground easily. The comfortable saddle which sat only 25.9 inches above the pavement{that is about 1/2" lower than a 250 Rebel.}.2013-12-12 22:38:31Bettendorf, IA11,2414,295.00 -
2005 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow (2005)
2005 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow, The 600cc Shadow is a great bike for a new rider. They are small and light, making it easy to learn and ride, but are substantial enough to not feel like it needs to be traded back in after just a year of riding. Fully serviced, Stop by and take a look and be sure to have a look at our other inventory at brennys dot com.2013-12-12 22:35:41Bettendorf, IA6,0873,995.00 -
2005 Honda 600 SILVERWING Scooter (2005)
2005 HONDA 600 SILVERWING, This scooter runs great, but does have cosmetic damage on both sides. You can see in the pictures the damage. Not sure what it is about scooters, but it seems they always come in with damage.2013-10-03 01:03:01Atlantic, IA, US133,399.00 -
2005 Honda VT750 Aero Cruiser (2005)
2005 Honda VT750 Aero, The biggest news with the Aero is that Honda dropped the chain drive from the Shadow ACE 750s in favor of a quiet maintenance-free shaft drive. With this seat height, even folks with short legs should be able to reach the ground easily. The comfortable saddle which sat only 25.9 inches above the pavement{that is about 1/2 lower than a 250 Rebel.}.2013-09-30 10:17:09Bettendorf, IA, US114,295.00 -
2005 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow Cruiser (2005)
2005 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow, The 600cc Shadow is a great bike for a new rider. They are small and light, making it easy to learn and ride, but are substantial enough to not feel like it needs to be traded back in after just a year of riding. Fully serviced, Stop by and take a look and be sure to have a look at our other inventory at brennys dot com.2013-09-27 18:31:12Bettendorf, IA, US63,995.00 -
2006 Honda Other (2006)
This is a 2006 Blue Honda Elite 80 CC. with approx: 7700 miles. looks and runs like new.2016-07-16 04:43:52Oxford Junction, Iowa, United States72,000.00 -
2006 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow (2006)
2006 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow, It has a 600cc engine, which puts out good power, and will propel you down the road at a comfortable speed. It has under 5700 miles!!! Just what a new rider needs, and just what an old rider wants.2013-12-19 23:35:19Bettendorf, IA5,6633,495.00 -
2006 Honda GL1800 (2006)
2006 HONDA GL1800, This Gold Wing has a brand new Tow-Pac Insta trike kit on it. Lots of chrome, and lots of extras. What advantages does InstaTrike offer over other trike systems?2013-12-19 22:35:14Atlantic, IA57,62719,999.00 -
2006 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow Cruiser (2006)
2006 Honda VLX600 VT600 Shadow, It has a 600cc engine, which puts out good power, and will propel you down the road at a comfortable speed. It has under 5700 miles!!! Just what a new rider needs, and just what an old rider wants.2013-10-22 01:56:51Bettendorf, IA, US53,495.00 -
2006 Honda GL1800 Touring (2006)
2006 HONDA GL1800, This Gold Wing has a brand new Tow-Pac Insta trike kit on it. Lots of chrome, and lots of extras.What advantages does InstaTrike offer over other trike systems? Priced thousands less, InstaTrike offers all of the advantages and stability of a conventional trike while completely conserving your motorcycle and giving a smooth stable ride.Very fast installation and removal for the trike or bike experience No modification to stock motorcycle frame or drivetrain Completely removable for easier resale of motorcycle No loss of ground clearance Independent wheel suspension and adjustability Flat stable cornering Trike stability with much smoother ride Full access to stock saddlebags Easily installed by the consumer Available for over 100 makes and models of motorcycles Minimal impact on fuel economy Available in standard 8 inch wheel or deluxe 12 aluminum wheel package Luxury touring.2013-10-02 20:31:50Atlantic, IA, US5719,999.00 -
2007 Honda CH80 Elite (2007)
2007 Honda CH80 Elite, With traffic choking up the streets and higher prices at the pump, it's never made more sense to find a smarter way to get around town. Enter the Honda Elite 80. With it's gas-sipping, 80cc four stroke engine and fully automatic transmission, it's as hassle-free as it is fuel efficient, and it's user-friendly controls and comfortable seating make you feel right at home right away. You'll find this one at Brennys Motorcycle Clinic in Bettendorf, Ia. Call 563-359-7222. Go to brennys dot com for more bikes and ATVs.2013-12-21 23:11:10Bettendorf, IA1,3091,495.00 -
2007 Honda 250 Nighthawk (2007)
2007 Honda 250 Nighthawk, Lightweight. Dependable. Performance packed.2013-12-20 22:25:24Bettendorf, IA2,2842,795.00 -
2007 Honda VT1100 Shadow Sabre (2007)
2007 Honda VT1100 Shadow Sabre, All of our pre-owned Motorcycles & ATVs have been serviced by our factory trained mechanics, and will have fresh oil changes, and a full checklist has been completed.This Shadow has the look!! Also,we check all charging systems. Be sure to visit brennys dot com to see this, and other motorcycles and ATVs!2013-12-19 22:23:00Bettendorf, IA14,4334,795.00 -
2007 Honda ST1300 1300 (2007)
2007 Honda ST1300, Engine Type:1261cc liquid-cooled longitudinally mounted 90-degree V-4Bore and Stroke:78.0mm x 66.0mmCompression Ratio:10.8:1Valve Train:DOHC; four valves per cylinderCarburetion:Fuel InjectionIgnition:ElectricFuel Type:GasolineFuel Capacity:7.7 gallons2013-12-18 23:39:58Sioux City, IA4,4808,990.00 -
2007 Honda CH80 Elite Moped (2007)
2007 Honda CH80 Elite, With traffic choking up the streets and higher prices at the pump, its never made more sense to find a smarter way to get around town. Enter the Honda Elite 80. With its gas-sipping, 80cc four stroke engine and fully automatic transmission, its as hassle-free as it is fuel efficient, and its user-friendly controls and comfortable seating make you feel right at home right away.2013-10-16 10:45:51Bettendorf, IA, US11,495.00
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2007 Honda 250 Nighthawk Standard (2007)
2007 Honda 250 Nighthawk, Lightweight. Dependable. Performance packed.2013-10-17 18:13:03Bettendorf, IA, US22,795.00 -
2007 Honda VT1100 Shadow Sabre Cruiser (2007)
2007 Honda VT1100 Shadow Sabre, All of our pre-owned Motorcycles & ATVs have been serviced by our factory trained mechanics, and will have fresh oil changes, and a full checklist has been completed.This Shadow has the look!! Also,we check all charging systems. Be sure to visit brennys dot com to see this, and other motorcycles and ATVs!2013-09-27 04:57:21Bettendorf, IA, US144,795.00 -
2008 Honda GL1800 w/ ROADSMITH TRIKE (2008)
2008 HONDA GL1800 w/ ROADSMITH TRIKE, This is a brand new conversion. The Gold Wing was traded in as a bike and we installed a new Roadsmith Trike conversion. This trike loos great and has low miles for a 2008 model.2013-12-19 22:13:48Atlantic, IA25,15027,500.00 -
2008 Honda Cfr Dirt Bike (2008)
2008 Honda Cfr , 08 Honda CRF150R Racing Dirtbike. The 150R features a powerful Unicam four-valve liquid-cooled engine that produces impressive power at a wide RPM range that only weighs 43.6 pounds. With its fully adjustable Showa suspension, high-quality Dunlop Tires and disc brakes front and rear, this is one of the best mini racing bikes Honda has made.2013-10-17 18:06:44Fairfield, IA, US02,200.00 -
2008 Honda VT750 Shadow Aero Cruiser (2008)
2008 Honda VT750 Shadow Aero, The 2008 Honda Shadow Aero serves as a most satisfying ride for a wide range of enthusiasts. Factor in the Shadow Aeros classic retro styling, low seat height, power-packed V-twin engine, and fine handling-all at a price thats just right for todays budgets-and you have the makings of a winner. This one has a windshield, and a passenger backrest that have been added.2013-10-01 17:03:07Bettendorf, IA, US54,495.00 -
2009 Honda VT750 Shadow Aero (2009)
2009 Honda VT750 Shadow Aero, This Shadow has Honda factory warranty until 6/17/2015!!! Looking for a bike to take trips with but don't want to break the bank to do it? This bike addresses to a wide range of riders in search of classic retro styling, low seat height and, of course, V-Twin power, all at an unmatchable cost.2013-12-17 22:33:34Bettendorf, IA18,9635,995.00 -
2009 Honda SILVERWING ABS Scooter (2009)
2009 HONDA SILVERWING ABS, This scooter looks and runs good. It does have a few scuffs and scratches on the right side. Not sure what the deal with scooters is, but seems they all have damage of some sort.2013-10-16 08:43:23Atlantic, IA, US54,999.00 -
2009 Honda VT750 Shadow Aero Cruiser (2009)
2009 Honda VT750 Shadow Aero, This Shadow has Honda factory warranty until 6/17/2015!!! Looking for a bike to take trips with but dont want to break the bank to do it? This bike addresses to a wide range of riders in search of classic retro styling, low seat height and, of course, V-Twin power, all at an unmatchable cost.2013-09-29 11:55:48Bettendorf, IA, US185,995.00 -
2010 Honda GL1800 Level 1 (2010)
2010 HONDA GL1800 Level 1, Experience the ultimate touring machine. When it comes to touring, theres really only one bike that should ever enter the conversation. Thats the Gold Wing, Honda powersports standard-bearer, the technological and luxury feature showcase rolled up into a machine Cycle World magazine has named one of its Top 10 Bikes an incredible 17 times!2013-12-17 23:23:02Atlantic, IA8,00018,900.00 -
2010 Honda GL18000 Level 1 Touring (2010)
2010 HONDA GL18000 Level 1, Experience the ultimate touring machine. When it comes to touring, theres really only one bike that should ever enter the conversation. Thats the Gold Wing, Honda powersports standard-bearer, the technological and luxury feature showcase rolled up into a machine Cycle World magazine has named one of its Top 10 Bikes an incredible 17 times!2013-10-19 03:40:48Atlantic, IA, US818,900.00 -
2010 HONDA NT700V NT 700 V NT700 2500 MILES (2010)
One small scratch on the bottom of the left saddlebag. One tiny chip at the rear of the tank from my jacket. Other than that bike is in great condition. Adult owned. New YUASA Battery Installed This Spring. Auctioned AS IS. No Warranty or Guarantees. 2010 Honda NT700V Specs Engine Type: 680cc liquid-cooled 52° V-twin Bore and Stroke: 81mm x 66mm Compression ratio: 10.0:1 Valve Train: SOHC; four valves per cylinder Induction: PGM-FI with automatic enrichment circuit, 40mm throttle bodies and 12-hole injectors Ignition: Digital transistorized with electronic advance Transmission: Five-speed Shaft Drive MSRP: $99992013-10-19 00:29:50Newell, Iowa, US2,5005,130.26 -
2010 HONDA NT700V NT 700 V NT700 2500 MILES (2010)
One small scratch on the bottom of the left saddlebag. One tiny chip at the rear of the tank from my jacket. Other than that bike is in great condition. Adult owned.2013-09-27 13:15:32Newell, Iowa, US2,5005,500.00 -
2010 HONDA NT700V NT 700 V NT700 only 2500 MILES (2010)
The photos were taken earlier this summer. Bike is now dirty and needs cleaning. Windshield is coated with bugs.2013-09-04 07:52:06Newell, Iowa, US2,5006,125.00 -
Honda NC700X (2012)
Honda’s new NC700X is a real breath of fresh air in today’s world of specialized motorcycles, a new concept in streetbikes, and one that puts the FUN in Functional. During the week it’s an awesome commuter. On the weekend it lets you go exploring in the country, or carve up a twisty canyon road.2013-09-28 22:16:31Sioux City, Iowa, US1,2085,250.00 -
2012 Honda CMX 250 REBEL Cruiser (2012)
2012 Honda Rebel with 4227 miles2013-09-05 07:30:19Des Moines, IA, US43,495.00 -
2013 Honda F6B DELUXE (2013)
2013 HONDA F6B DELUXE, CALL FOR OUTRIGHT PRICING!! 2013 Honda Gold Wing F6B Deluxe A New Way To Go Everywhere. Whether you have an hour, a weekend or a week to leave it all behind, here's a new bold and blacked-out-styled machine to satisfy that urge to get away from it all-the brand-new Gold Wing F6B Deluxe.2013-12-16 22:27:20Atlantic, IA019,709.00 -
2013 Honda NC700X (2013)
2013 HONDA NC700X, Online price is a cashoutright sale price.Trade may be accepted at a low wholesale value. MSRP - $7499 NVC Price- $6999 Two-Wheeled Multitool. Named one of Cycle Worlds 10 Best Bikes for 2012 in its first year, the NC700X is an awesome commuter during the week.2013-12-15 22:36:22Atlantic, IA06,999.00 -
2013 Honda F6B (2013)
2013 HONDA F6B, CALL FOR OUTRIGHT PRICING!! A New Way To Go Everywhere Think of it as the Gold Wings bad-boy cousin. The all-new Honda Gold Wing F6B takes the superb six-cylinder engine and advanced chassis of the touring legend, then strips off the rear top box, chops down the windshield, and covers everything in midnight black to create a premium cruiser like nothing else on the road.2013-12-14 23:14:57Atlantic, IA018,789.00 -
2013 Honda GL1800 Level 1 (2013)
2013 HONDA GL1800 Level 1, CALL FOR YOUR BEST OUTRIGHT PRICE!! Plan to go everywhere. Theres big news when it comes to the 2012 Honda Gold Wing.2013-12-14 22:41:37Atlantic, IA022,461.00 -
2013 Honda F6B Touring (2013)
2013 HONDA F6B, CALL FOR OUTRIGHT PRICING!!A New Way To Go Everywhere Think of it as the Gold Wings bad-boy cousin. The all-new Honda Gold Wing F6B takes the superb six-cylinder engine and advanced chassis of the touring legend, then strips off the rear top box, chops down the windshield, and covers everything in midnight black to create a premium cruiser like nothing else on the road. Long, low, lean and mean, the F6B is built for the boulevard, and built to turn heads.2013-10-04 07:53:44Atlantic, IA, US018,789.00 -
2013 Honda NC700X Sportbike (2013)
2013 HONDA NC700X, Online price is a cashoutright sale price.Trade may be accepted at a low wholesale value.MSRP - $7499NVC Price- $6999Two-Wheeled Multitool. Named one of Cycle Worlds 10 Best Bikes for 2012 in its first year, the NC700X is an awesome commuter during the week. On the weekend it lets you go exploring in the country, or carve up a twisty canyon road.2013-10-02 13:15:37Atlantic, IA, US06,999.00
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2013 Honda RUCKUS Scooter (2013)
2013 HONDA RUCKUS, Off-The-Leash Fun The Ruckus looks like it could survive a nuclear blast and come out swinging. But the Ruckus is about way more than just a unique look: Its thrifty 49 cc engine gets awesome mileage. Its Honda V-matic automatic transmission makes for no-shifting, seamless power in and out of traffic.2013-09-29 06:51:13Atlantic, IA, US02,649.00
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2013 Honda F6B DELUXE Touring (2013)
2013 HONDA F6B DELUXE, CALL FOR OUTRIGHT PRICING!!2013 Honda Gold Wing F6B DeluxeA New Way To Go Everywhere.Whether you have an hour, a weekend or a week to leave it all behind, here's a new bold and blacked-out-styled machine to satisfy that urge to get away from it all-the brand-new Gold Wing F6B Deluxe. This machine is loaded with all the good looks and key features you want, and it's all set for short hops or weekend trips. It starts with a powerful fuel-injected 1832cc six-cylinder engine that provides an unrivaled level of performance in the class.2013-09-29 04:50:54Atlantic, IA, US019,709.00 -
2013 Honda GL1800 Level 1 Touring (2013)
2013 HONDA GL1800 Level 1, CALL FOR YOUR BEST OUTRIGHT PRICE!!Plan to go everywhere. Theres big news when it comes to the 2012 Honda Gold Wing. Because weve taken what is the worlds best touring motorcycle and made it even better.2013-09-28 09:36:04Atlantic, IA, US022,461.00 -
NEW 2014 Honda CTX700 CTX 700 With Accessories! OTD Price! Standard transmission (2014)
Brand new 2014 Honda CTX700 with accessories!! Accessories installed include: Saddle bags Bag mounts Matching color bag lids Passenger backrest Backrest mounts Luggage rack Tall windshield Tomorrow’s Touring Twin. Talk about a bike that can do it all: Honda’s new 2014 CTX700 is your new dream machine.2013-09-03 09:59:13Storm Lake, Iowa, US18,375.00 -
2015 Honda Other (2015)
Honda's NC700X DCT is a real breath of fresh air in today's world of specialized motorcycles, a new concept in streetbikes, and one that puts the FUN in Functional. During the week it's an awesome commuter. On the weekend it lets you go exploring in the country, or carve up a twisty canyon road.2016-08-24 04:42:55Creston, Iowa, United States25,500.00
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Honda Announces Electric Motorcycle Plans
Tue, 13 Sep 2022Carbon neutrality by 2040 Honda announced plans for a carbon neutral future and a goal of introducing 10 or more electric motorcycles by 2025 including three mid-range models and a youth model for North America. Until now, Honda has been very tentative when it comes to electrification, with its main focus being on developing swappable battery packs for electric two-wheelers. Its Japanese counterparts Yamaha and Kawasaki have outlined their own plans, while in North America, Harley-Davidson is days away from finalizing its LiveWire spin-off.
2023 Honda Hornet Engine Details Confirmed
Fri, 09 Sep 2022Honda provided an update on the development of its new 2023 Hornet streetfighter, releasing test footage and details about its new engine. The new Hornet will be powered by a 755cc Parallel-Twin 8-valve Unicam engine with a 270° crank. Honda claims an output of 90.5 hp at 9500 rpm, 55.3 lb-ft.
Rumor Check: Honda's Mini-Africa Twin Will Be The XL750 Transalp
Tue, 23 Aug 2022Trademark filings confirm the return of a familiar name. Back in May 2021, MO’s resident sleuth Dennis Chung took a dive into the rumor mill surrounding a possible mini-Africa Twin coming from Honda. Trademark filings for the name Transalp were filed in several markets around the world, including the U.S.
Honda Reminds Us It's Working On A New Hornet
Mon, 06 Jun 2022Expect the production model at EICMA in November One of the biggest surprises at the 2021 EICMA show last November was the news Honda is working on a new Hornet model. At its booth in Milan, Honda presented a sculpture with an elaborate light show projecting a hint at what to expect from the new Hornet. In the six months following EICMA, however, there has been very little, er, “buzz”, coming from Honda.
Church of MO: 2002 Honda 919 First Ride
Sun, 22 May 2022Here at modern MO, we probably wouldn’t publish a road test of a new Honda without a few photos of the thing in action. Twenty years ago, though, there was probably a perfectly reasonable-sounding excuse: My dog ate the film, a bear ate the photographer… Most probably, somebody slud the shiny new Honda 919 down the road on the way to the shoot, and the show had to go on. Who knows?
Design Filings May Offer Clues to the Honda NX500
Tue, 10 May 2022Africa Twin-inspired styling may be for an NX200 model Last week, we wrote about trademark filings that suggest Honda was working on a CL500 scrambler and an NX500 dual sport/adventure bike. We’ve now uncovered design filings that may offer a hint at what the NX500 may look like. However, the design itself isn’t for the NX500, which we expect to be powered by the same liquid-cooled 471cc Parallel-Twin used on multiple other models in Honda’s lineup.
Honda Trademarks Hint at New Scrambler and Dual Sport 500 Models
Fri, 06 May 2022CL500 and NX500 in the works Honda has filed new trademark applications for the names “CL500” and “NX500“, suggesting it may be preparing to expand its 500 range with new scrambler and dual sport models. The trademark for CL500 was filed March 17 with the European Union Intellectual Property Office, while the NX500 trademark was filed May 2 with the EUIPO as well as with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.
Honda Hawk 11 Revealed, But Many Questions Remain
Tue, 22 Mar 2022Only for Japan... for now This weekend, at the 2022 Osaka Motorcycle Show, Honda revealed the new Hawk 11, a new café racer based on the Africa Twin and NT1100 sport-tourer platform. And while Honda released several details about the Hawk 11, there is still a lot of vital information that has not been provided.
2023 Honda ST125 Dax Announced for Europe
Mon, 14 Mar 2022Fast Facts T-shaped chassis Tiny 1-gallon fuel tank IMU-based ABS No word on US availability Another friendly little retro Minimoto from Honda Honda announced a new 125cc Minimoto for Europe, reviving the Dax model name for a new generation of riders. The name was originally used in Europe in 1969 for Honda’s ST-series in 50 and 70cc models, and last produced from 1995 to 2003 in Japan. The name comes from “Dachshund”, as its distinctive T-shaped frame resembles the weiner dog breed, helping it stand out from Honda’s other minibikes like the Monkey and Cub.
Church of MO: 1997 Honda Valkyrie
Sun, 06 Mar 2022In 1997, Bill Clinton started his second term, nobody was sure if the Titanic had sunk or not as the Leonardo di Caprio film had just debuted – along with the Toyota Prius in Japan. Love was in the air, the median California home price was $186k, and what the hell was Motorcycle Online? What could possibly go wrong?