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2013 BMW F800R Standard (2013)
2013 BMW F800R, This vehicle features the following options: Dynamic Package ... LED Rear Light, Engine Spoiler, Pillion Seat Cover. Touring Package ...2013-10-17 18:08:19Alhambra, CA, US312,235.00
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2013 BMW F800R (2013)
2013 BMW F800R, Trade-ins: A&S Powersports can accept your motorcycle, scooter, car, truck or RV in trade toward the purchase of a motorcycle. Please call today! (All trades subject to mechanical inspection by our service dept.) All vehicles sold by A&S Powersports are subject to title transfer, document preparation and handling fees.2013-12-17 22:47:25Roseville, CA512,235.00
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2013 BMW F700GS Dual Sport (2013)
2013 Bmw F700GS, Brand New for 2012 - In Stock Now.2013-10-17 18:13:35Hollywood, CA, US012,135.00
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2013 BMW F700GS (2013)
2013 Bmw F700GS, Brand New for 2012 - In Stock Now.2013-12-12 21:49:31Hollywood, CA012,135.00
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2013 BMW F 700 GS Standard (2013)
2013 BMW F 700 GS, CURRENT DEMO2013 BMW F 700 GSCarefree motorcycling fun for everyone! With the F 700 GS the direct successor to the F 650 GS. A shorter gear transmission ratio in the 75 bhp engine enhances agility while at the same time guaranteeing the bike's familiar top-class handling.2013-10-16 10:13:42Long Beach, CA, US712,080.00
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2007 BMW K1200 GT Sport Touring (2007)
2007 BMW K GT, Elect adjustable suspension on the fly, 162 HP, 6 spd, Dash computer read out of all conditions. second performance exhaust (loose). Adjustable seat ht, new battery.2013-10-23 02:15:14Glendora, CA, US1412,000.00
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2014 BMW Other (2014)
I am selling my 2014 BMW S1000RR with 17986 miles on it. The 18000 mile service including the valve adjustment has been completed. All service records are available at Irv Seaver BMW in Orange, California.2016-06-14 15:57:17Anaheim, California, United States1712,000.00
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2012 BMW R 1200 R Standard (2012)
2012 Bmw R 1200 R, VERY NICE, READY TO RIDE.. - Powerful character for pure motorcycling joy - the BMW R 1200 R. The 1,170 cc generates an output of 109 bhp and 115 Nm of torque.2013-09-05 07:32:02Ventura, CA, US1211,999.00
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2011 BMW S 1000 RR Sportbike (2011)
2011 Bmw S 1000 RR, . - The latest in racing power. With an aluminum bridge, radial brakes, the BMW S1000RR comes standard in Canada with Race ABS, Dynamic Traction Control (DTC) and Gear Shift Assist.2013-09-28 02:55:45Hollywood, CA, US711,999.00
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2009 BMW R 1200 R Standard (2009)
2009 Bmw R 1200 R, With ABS & ASC !! - FULL MAJOR TUNE UP JUST COMPLETED, INC. TWO WINDSCREENS!2013-10-16 09:16:41Sacramento, CA, US2511,999.00
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2013 BMW F800GS (2013)
2013 BMW F800GS, *** L.A.'s only Exclusive BMW Dealer! *** NOTE: All prices are for factory equiped vehicles only; dealer installed accessories are extra unless otherwise stated.2013-12-15 21:54:47Alhambra, CA25111,999.00
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2009 BMW R 1200 R (2009)
2009 Bmw R 1200 R, With ABS & ASC !! - FULL MAJOR TUNE UP JUST COMPLETED, INC. TWO WINDSCREENS!2013-12-19 22:28:48Sacramento, CA25,04111,999.00
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2008 BMW K1200GT Sport Touring (2008)
2008 BMW K1200GT, This 2008 K1200GT has lots of nice upgrades including a 49 liter BMW top case with a chrome luggage rack, handlebar risers, Remus slip-on exhaust, a custom seat, a tilt-up tank bag, BMW liner bags for all three hard cases, a GPS mount, large sidestand foot and a Cal Sci windshield. The K1200GT features smooth transverse 4 cylinder powerplant at 152 hp, this bike keeps the 'sport' in sport-touring! The GT includes partially integrated (linked) anti-lock brakes (ABS) and electronic suspension adjustment (ESA), on-board computer, electronic cruise control, heated grips and heated seats.2013-10-03 13:46:05Roseville, CA, US3611,997.00
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2006 BMW R1200RT Ex Police (Roseville ) (0)
•Year: 2006•Manufacturer: BMW•Model: R1200RT P•Primary Color: Black / White•Use: 15957 mile•Equipment Condition: Excellent•Title Status: Clean•VIN: WB10388026ZM19155This Low Mileage 2006 R1200RTP is very clean and was civilian owned, not used by a law enforcement agency. It does not include police equipment such as a radio, or flashing lamps. It does have the on-board computer with mileage read-out and other features not found on a civlian model.2014-01-24 01:03:58Sacramento, CA1511,997.00
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2011 BMW S 1000 Sportbike (2011)
2011 BMW S 1000, 2011 BMW S1000, WHITE, CLEAN BIKE, MUST SEE!! VIN#:WB1051708BZV43086 FINANCING AVAILABLE, WE WELCOME TRADES, WE ACCEPT VISA, AND MC, PLEASE CHECK OUR WEBSITE FOR CURRENT INVENTORY2013-09-05 07:22:44Chatsworth, CA, US1111,995.00
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2011 BMW S1000RR Premium Sportbike (2011)
2011 BMW S1000RR Premium, Call 1-877-647-1505 for a great deal on this unit.2013-09-28 09:14:20Covina, CA, US1611,995.00
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2009 BMW K 1300 GT Touring (2009)
2009 Bmw K 1300 GT, This is One Beautiful K1300GT with an extended service plan until 3/31/16!!! - Time machine - the latest news. The first owner of this unit is a journeyman aircraft technician that understands the need for thorough upkeep and maintenance.2013-09-28 20:34:23Orange, CA, US5311,995.00
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2007 BMW K 1200 LT Touring (2007)
2007 Bmw K 1200 LT, Unmatched Luxury in our Flagship K1200LT! - Peak performance and absolute amenities mile after mile after mile. Among the forty-four standard features included on the dynamically modified K 1200 LT are a higher output engine, a modified gearbox, chrome package, redesigned instrument panel and seats, new paint finishes, and an electro-hydraulic center stand.2013-10-05 00:40:26Orange, CA, US711,995.00
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2012 BMW F80GS Dual Sport (2012)
2012 BMW F80GS, Call 1-877-647-1505 for a great deal on this unit.2013-10-21 01:19:13Covina, CA, US511,995.00
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2012 BMW F 800 ST Demonstrator Dual Sport (2012)
2012 BMW F 800 ST Demonstrator, Center Stand , Multi-Colored Paintwork2013-09-05 07:33:14San Diego, CA, US011,993.00
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2012 BMW F 800 ST Demonstrator (2012)
2012 BMW F 800 ST Demonstrator, Center Stand , Multi-Colored Paintwork2013-12-12 22:12:30San Diego, CA011,993.00
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2008 BMW K 1200 GT Sport Touring (2008)
2008 BMW K 1200 GT, Contact Rene or Owen for more details at (951) 353-0607...2013-10-18 07:36:05Riverside, CA, US1411,990.00
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2010 BMW R 1200 GS (2010)
2010 BMW R 1200 GS, Call Owen or Rene for details at 951-353-0607.Topcase, aux lights2013-12-11 22:54:28Riverside, CA30,58411,990.00
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2013 BMW F700GS Dual Sport (2013)
2013 BMW F700GS, Trade-ins: A&S Powersports can accept your motorcycle, scooter, car, truck or RV in trade toward the purchase of a motorcycle. Please call today! (All trades subject to mechanical inspection by our service dept.) All vehicles sold by A&S Powersports are subject to title transfer, document preparation and handling fees.2013-09-30 04:42:20Roseville, CA, US511,930.00
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2013 BMW F700GS (2013)
2013 BMW F700GS, Trade-ins: A&S Powersports can accept your motorcycle, scooter, car, truck or RV in trade toward the purchase of a motorcycle. Please call today! (All trades subject to mechanical inspection by our service dept.) All vehicles sold by A&S Powersports are subject to title transfer, document preparation and handling fees.2013-12-15 22:51:54Roseville, CA511,930.00
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2007 BMW K GT Touring (2007)
2007 BMW K GT, This motorcycle is in showroom condition. It has been garage parked AND covered using BMW cover. It has been cared for by the dealership only for annual oil changes.2013-10-17 00:19:21chino hills, CA, US111,900.00
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2014 BMW F 800 GT GT (2014)
2014 BMW F 800 GT, Hit the road - the journey begins. The new F 800 GT offers impressive dynamic performance on every ride - whether idyllic suburbs, winding mountain passes or endless highways.A twist of the throttle and 90 horsepower ensure that you really can leave everyday routine behind you. The water-cooled two-cylinder in-line engine with a capacity of 798 cc offers remarkable dynamic performance on every trip, achieving smooth power delivery through its low-maintenance toothed-belt drive.2013-12-20 22:41:05Pomona, CA011,890.00
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2013 BMW F800GT (2013)
VERY CLEAN. LOW MILES. factory demo!!2013-12-15 22:09:54Moorpark, CA1,16311,795.00
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2013 BMW F800GT (2013)
VERY CLEAN. LOW MILES. FACTORY DEMO!!!!2013-12-15 22:27:09Moorpark, CA1,05911,795.00
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2014 BMW F700GS Dual Sport (2014)
2014 BMW F700GS,2013-10-21 01:12:04Roseville, CA, US511,785.00
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2013 BMW F800GS (2013)
GREAT CONDITION. LOW MILES. ASC-ESC.2013-12-14 22:43:05Moorpark, CA23211,745.00
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2009 BMW K 1300 S Sportbike (2009)
2009 Bmw K 1300 S, You want thrills.....weve got your ride! - Outstanding performance. Fully and freshly serviced with a recent set of Continental Motion Pro tires this immaculate K1300S is ready to stand and deliver.2013-10-22 01:55:50Orange, CA, US6011,695.00
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2013 BMW F800R $1500 Value Incentive! Standard (2013)
2013 BMW F800R $1500 Value Incentive!,2013-09-29 01:56:07MODESTO, CA, US011,690.00
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2013 BMW F 800 R Standard (2013)
2013 Bmw F 800 R, Its definitely the hottest generation of roadsters since the BMW K 1300 R - Its definitely the hottest generation of roadsters since the BMW K 1300 R. Dominance from the very first yard - a perfect combination of pure riding fun and excellent suitability for everyday use. After its model revision, the F 800 R is just as sexy as it was before - and the 798 cc two-cylinder engine is as punchy as ever.2013-09-29 17:14:32Fresno, CA, US011,690.00
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2013 BMW F 800 R Dual Sport (2013)
2013 BMW F 800 R, Accessory Socket , Heated hand grips , On Board Computer , Touring Package : : Center Stand , Luggage Rack , Saddle Bag Mounts2013-10-04 07:11:03San Diego, CA, US011,690.00
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2013 BMW F 800 R (2013)
2013 BMW F 800 R, Accessory Socket , Heated hand grips , On Board Computer , Touring Package : : Center Stand , Luggage Rack , Saddle Bag Mounts2013-12-15 22:49:56San Diego, CA011,690.00
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2013 BMW F800R $1500 Value Incentive! (2013)
2013 BMW F800R $1500 Value Incentive!,2013-12-20 22:49:06MODESTO, CA011,690.00
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2013 BMW F800GS Other (2013)
2013 BMW F800GS, *Sale prices includes manufacturer's rebates. *** L.A.'s only Exclusive BMW Dealer! *** NOTE: All prices are for factory equiped vehicles only dealer installed accessories are extra unless otherwise stated.2013-09-27 08:03:19Alhambra, CA, US711,585.00
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2012 BMW R 1200 R Standard (2012)
2012 BMW R 1200 R, Red 2012 BMW R1200R with 12,200 miles, Bike is in great condition. Also comes with BMW hard top case asking $11500 OBO, bmw financial holding pink slip. All services completed by dealership, 1200 mile service just completed.2013-10-02 14:44:25thousand oaks, CA, US1211,500.00
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2007 BMW R 1200 GS Dual Sport (2007)
2007 BMW R 1200 GS, Pristine Condition. Low miles. Brand new tires.2013-10-22 00:24:18Aguanga, CA, US1611,500.00
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2007 BMW R 1200 GS ADVENTURE (2007)
2007 BMW R 1200 GS ADVENTURE, cool bike! excellent condition. jesse cases.2013-12-19 23:17:15san diego, CA30,00011,500.00
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2005 BMW R 1200 GS (2005)
2005 BMW R 1200 GS, One owner bike. Built the way it should have been from the factory with tons of functional upgrades including - Ohlins Shocks (front & rear), Sebring full exhaust, CeeBailey's +4" windscreen, Touratech HID light kit, Touratech pegs, Touratech rear brake foot extension, Touratech kickstand switch protection, Touratech rear brake switch protection, Touratech headlight protection, Touratech oil cooler protection, Touratech steering stop crash guard, Touratech front fender extenstioin, Touratech package tray travel bag ($170), Touratech passenger XL seat bag ($365), BMW cylinder head crash guards, BMW factory panniers, BMW factory "medium" & "high" seat. New set of Continental TKC80 knobby tires installed.2013-12-19 23:24:02Rancho Palos Verdes, CA54,00011,500.00
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2009 BMW K 1300 S (2009)
2009 Bmw K 1300 S, You want thrills.....we've got your ride! - Outstanding performance. Fully and freshly serviced with a recent set of Continental "Motion Pro" tires this immaculate K1300S is ready to stand and deliver.2013-12-18 22:24:14Orange, CA60,03411,395.00
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2009 BMW K1300S (2009)
2009 BMW K1300S, 57,980 Miles, ABS, ASC, TPM, ESA, Heated Grips, OBC, Gear Shift Assist, Fresh Service!! BMW Financing Available Trades And Consignments Always Welcome San Diego BMW - Your Gateway To Adventure!2013-12-17 22:37:26San Diego, CA011,390.00
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2013 BMW F700GS Dual Sport (2013)
2013 BMW F700GS, This vehicle features the following equipment: Safety PKG ... ESA II (Electronic Suspension ADJ), TPM, Enduro ASC. Luxury PKG ...2013-09-27 21:40:24Alhambra, CA, US511,285.00
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2013 BMW F700GS Other (2013)
2013 BMW F700GS, This vehicle features the following equipment: Safety PKG ... ESA II (Electronic Suspension ADJ), TPM, Enduro ASC. Luxury PKG ...2013-09-28 11:28:16Alhambra, CA, US711,285.00
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2013 BMW F800R (2013)
2013 BMW F800R, This vehicle features the following options: Dynamic Package ... LED Rear Light, Engine Spoiler, Pillion Seat Cover. Touring Package ...2013-12-10 22:13:10Alhambra, CA511,235.00
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2013 BMW C 650 GT GT Standard (2013)
2013 BMW C 650 GT, Highline Package: : Heated Seat , Heated Hand Grips , Tire Pressure Monitor2013-09-05 06:26:24San Diego, CA, US011,090.00
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2013 BMW C 650 GT Standard (2013)
2013 Bmw C 650 GT, New Saphire Black in stock! - Dominate the city, or simply escape it, with the C650GT maxi-scooter. Combining power, sophistication and fuel efficiency, the 60 horsepower engine offers all the performance you could possibly need, especially on longer journeys.2013-10-04 17:12:32Orange, CA, US1011,090.00
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2013 BMW C 650 GT Moped (2013)
2013 BMW C 650 GT, Current DemoConquer the city. Or get away from it. You have the choice: with the new BMW C 650 GT Maxi-Scooter you can put your plans into practice in supreme style.The power of the harmoniously tuned engine with 44 kW (60 bhp) is especially advantageous over longer distances.2013-10-04 06:57:40Long Beach, CA, US1511,090.00
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2013 BMW C650GT (2013)
2013 BMW C650GT, Trade-ins: A&S Powersports can accept your motorcycle, scooter, car, truck or RV in trade toward the purchase of a motorcycle. Please call today! (All trades subject to mechanical inspection by our service dept.) All vehicles sold by A&S Powersports are subject to title transfer, document preparation and handling fees.2013-12-11 22:32:33Roseville, CA511,090.00
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2013 BMW C650GT $250 Value Incentive! (2013)
2013 BMW C650GT $250 Value Incentive!,2013-12-14 22:49:37MODESTO, CA011,090.00
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2014 BMW F 700 GS (2014)
2014 Bmw F 700 GS, BMW 2014 F700GS Low Suspension - New 2014 F700GS! Low suspension package, (29" seat hgt!)ABS, heated grips,computer,saddlebag mounts. Ask about BMW 3 Easy Finance program-low payments!2013-12-13 23:39:29Escondido, CA1011,065.00
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2009 BMW R1200rt Touring (2009)
2009 BMW R1200rt , Must see! One owner, well maintained, garaged, $11,000.00 31068653142013-09-05 05:53:24Lawndale, CA, US1911,000.00
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2012 BMW F 800 GS Dual Sport (2012)
2012 BMW F 800 GS, comes with ABS,heated grips.this is a very well kept bike always covered/garaged never taken it off road.never been dropped with only 681 miles!! just got 2014 tags. Asking $10,999.00 please call 310-428-2928 PRICE IS FIRM!!2013-09-05 06:04:57north hollywood, CA, US68110,999.00
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2012 BMW F 800 ST Touring (2012)
2012 Bmw F 800 ST, 2012 BMW F800ST - Nice package! This 2012 F800ST is well equipped with ABS,heated grips,computer,centerstand,low seat. BMW saddlebags, Z-Technik tall windscreen,Clearwater driving lights,and frame sliders.2013-10-20 02:44:37Escondido, CA, US110,999.00
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2010 BMW S 1000 RR Sportbike (2010)
2010 BMW S 1000 RR, Call (888) 453-8079 / EZ Qualify Payment Plans / Trades welcomeThis is a factory ordered bike that comes with goodies you only get when you order a BMW direct from the factory. Brand new, never worn special factory BMW jacket, necklace, DVD's etc. Terrific condition, new tires, oil etc.2013-10-19 03:54:54Tracy, CA, US1110,999.00
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2012 BMW F 800 ST (2012)
2012 Bmw F 800 ST, 2012 BMW F800ST - Nice package! This 2012 F800ST is well equipped with ABS,heated grips,computer,centerstand,low seat. BMW saddlebags, Z-Technik tall windscreen,Clearwater driving lights,and frame sliders.2013-12-12 23:02:48Escondido, CA1,28010,999.00
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2010 BMW S 1000 RR (2010)
2010 BMW S 1000 RR, Call (888) 453-8079 / EZ Qualify Payment Plans / Trades welcomeThis is a factory ordered bike that comes with goodies you only get when you order a BMW direct from the factory. Brand new, never worn special factory BMW jacket, necklace, DVD's etc. Terrific condition, new tires, oil etc.2013-12-21 22:12:31Tracy, CA11,12410,999.00
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2007 BMW K1200LT Touring (2007)
2007 BMW K1200LT, This beautiful 2007 BMW K1200LT is loaded! It includes a BMW Navigator III GPS, a rider backrest, 'J-Pegs' highway pegs, and even a trailer hitch that looks unused. The comm system includes a set of wired helmet headsets, usually sold separately.2013-10-16 09:00:37Roseville, CA, US5410,997.00
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BMW R 18 Roctane Confirmed in Homologation Filings
Fri, 31 Mar 2023Evidence suggests a performance cruiser variant BMW is preparing to add a new model to its 1,802cc boxer family, receiving type approval in Switzerland for a new variant called the R 18 Roctane. The type approval data for the Roctane shows much in common with the existing R 18 models, but with some notable differences. For one, the R 18 Roctane has an internal model code of “0N61,” while the model codes for the R 18, R 18 Classic, R 18 B, and R 18 Transcontinental all have model codes beginning with “0L.” This suggests the Roctane differs from the other models in a fairly significant way, either with a chassis update or a different form factor.
2022 BMW CE 04 Scooter Mini Review
Fri, 17 Feb 2023A convincing case for owning an electric except for one thing. Credit: Photos by Evans Brasfield With no US publications invited to the press launch of the BMW CE 04 more than a year ago, we had to enlist the help of our friend Bertrand Gahel to send us his thoughts in the form of his First Ride Review. Thirteen months later, we finally got our hands on the BMW scoot.
2022 BMW K1600 GT Christmas Chiseler Tour
Fri, 13 Jan 2023Its not easy being a cheapskate on a $25,000 motorcycle Chrissy Rogers and I were toying with the idea of a pre-Christmas blast up the Pacific coast to Hearst Castle for a few days while business was slow, since the weather was an impeccable partly cloudy and 60-ish degrees. That or maybe the Ruta de Vino down Mexico way? Maybe hop in the new-to-me 23-year old Jaguar?
2023 BMW S1000RR Review - First Ride
Thu, 29 Dec 2022Bavarian Bullet Credit: Photos by BMW Motorrad/Markus Jahn and Jörg Künstle It scarcely seems possible that BMW Motorrad’s lineup-leading S1000RR sportbike actually made its official public debut a whole decade and a half ago in April 2008, with deliveries beginning the following year. Even though 15 years is a long time, especially in the Superbike arena, where serious players like BeeEm, as well as Ducati, Aprilia, and the Japanese, don’t stint on investing in fast-moving high-end technical R&D in pursuit of engineering excellence, the German brand’s first-ever customer motorcycle with a transverse-mounted four-cylinder has maintained its leading edge reputation for both mechanical and electronic innovation ever since then, and the newly introduced latest version is no exception. This is because, for the coming 2023 model year, BMW has essentially uprated its existing volume production version of the bike by transplanting a good chunk of the array of technical upgrades available until now only to around 1,200 well-heeled or well-sponsored users of the M1000RR, the uber-expensive, uber-performing version of BMW’s street-legal superbike that’s been on sale for the past two years, essentially as a homologation special for Superbike racing.
Church of MO: 2012 BMW G650GS Sertao Review
Sun, 18 Dec 2022To tell you the truth, in all the excitement, I don’t remember if I ever rode a 2012 BMW G650GS Sertao or not? Most of BMW’s attempts at middleweight adventure have been forgettable that way. But the Sertao actually comes off pretty okay in Pete’s review.
2023 BMW M 1000 R Review - First Ride
Thu, 15 Dec 2022Excessive excellence Credit: Photos by BMW Motorrad/Markus Jahn and Jörg Künstle Nothing succeeds like excess – and by concocting the 2023 M 1000 R (or “MR” as they’d like us to call it), BMW is doing its best to confirm the truth of that axiom in a two-wheeled context. How else to characterize a Naked-as-Nature straight-Four hotrod with upright handlebar and no screen, which has a 14,600 rpm redline and produces a claimed 206.5 hp at 13,750rpm, with claimed peak torque of 83.3 lb-ft at 11,000rpm, that has a homologated/proven top speed of 174 mph and weighs just 438.7 lbs with all liquids, including a full 4.4-gallon tank of fuel? Consider that just a decade ago the factory S1000RR Superbike racer which BMW’s works riders Troy Corser and Leon Haslam raced in the 2011 WSBK series produced 216 bhp at 14,900 rpm, and it’s clear that the new MR super-roadster is a statement of intent that can’t be ignored.
2023 BMW R NineT 100 Years and R 18 100 Years Editions First Look
Thu, 15 Dec 2022A hundred years of BMW Motorrad BMW Motorrad is commemorating its 100th anniversary with the release of Special Heritage editions of the R nineT and R18. BMW will produce 1,923 units of each model, recognizing the debut of the brand’s first motorcycle, the R 32, in September 1923 at the German Motor Show in Berlin. Both models come with a number of chrome and Option 719 parts, including some milled pieces and several paint-on-chrome surfaces.
BMW R12 Trademark May Be for an R NineT Successor
Tue, 22 Nov 2022BMW Motorrad to mark 100th anniversary in 2023 Earlier this year, reports emerged that BMW had filed trademark applications for “R12”, with many predicting the name would be used on a new cruiser. The logic made sense, as the naming structure was similar to the R18, and BMW lacked a cruiser model in the 1200-ish range. We were a little less bullish on that theory at the time, and we suspected there was more to the story.
2023 BMW R 1250 RS First Look
Thu, 10 Nov 2022Two weeks ago, BMW announced updates to its R 1250 R roadster. It’s not a big surprise, then, that many of those same updates are coming to the R 1250 RS. And just like the roadster, the updated 2023 R 1250 RS remains at the same MSRP as 2022: $15,695.
The Falloon Files: 1973 BMW R90S
Mon, 24 Oct 2022Let's Boxer In 1973, I was beginning to look at the streetbike magazines as well as the dirtbike ones on the magazine rack at Lyons Drug; there must’ve been 20 or 30 of them, and plenty of time to browse as there was no www, and very little hope of obtaining any motorcycle at all anytime soon. The 1973 BMW R90S was a chunk of pure unobtanium, from a planet far, far away, that knocked my striped tube socks completely off. Ian Falloon wrote an entire 128-page book about it.